Thursday, April 13, 2006

Week 2, Question 2

75/25 against buying a car! OK OK I feel told off. The message is very clear, we will just have to put up with our little car for a while longer. So who do I bill for the chiropractor???

Phew. Now that controversial item is off the agenda, do we take a chainsaw to our spending or go see a mortgage broker and fix our mortgage?

Now I’m sure many of you will be thinking “Steph you idiot you need to do both!” but we just need a steer on what to do first.

Oh, should let you all know that the three of us are off to Matt’s parents over Easter, and will have (shock horror) NO INTERNET ACCESS!

So have a good one everyone, don’t eat too much chocolate and see you all Tuesday.

Steph

7 Comments:

At Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:04:00 AM, Blogger Carla said...

Hi Steph :)

i have no idea about mortgages, so wont comment on that one, all i will say is that if you think a Mortgage Broker is going to help you, then see what they can offer you, its free and you dont have to go with what they will say, but it will give you some more ideas on what you could or could not be doing regarding your home.

Spending is something i know about! and its AMAZING how much extra a week you spend on NOTHING! get a little notebook (they only cost .30c at a stationary place) and take it EVERYWHERE with you, write down EVERY purchase whether it be a $3 coffee or a $150 food shop, at the end of the week, go through your notebook and work out the amount you spent on things you really did not need, its amazing how it adds up and can all contribute towards your household. do the same with the reciept from your food shopping, that extra bottle of coke, that bag of chips, mate thats $5 you could of deducted off your shopping bill. have a treat still, whether it be a special coffee or a mag a week, you cant just do without everything, you still need to live and enjoy too. but look at areas that you can save, install energy efficient light bulbs, wrap your hot water cylinder, all helps with the power bill. look at your internet bill, is there a cheaper plan that you can use? i could go on forever but you get the idea, look at every single reciept, every single bill, and look at what you can do better next time. im still learning too :) but these are ideas that i have picked up and have really opened my eyes to my own spending

have a lovely easter holiday!

 
At Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:27:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with everything Carla says. Years ago we did a budget and part of that process was logging everything we spent our money on, and we did this for over 3 months (got very boring but was well worthwhile). Found out our biggest unnecessary expenditure was takeaways!

We have also set up a separate bank account for our bills. Worked out how much our set bills were per year (eg rates, insurance, car rego, power, phone, Sky) as well as our fortnightly grocery shopping and divided it by 26 to get fortnightly average. My husband gets paid fortnightly, so every pay a set amount is paid by AP into the bills account. It is not touched for any other expenditure. Doing the spending log helps to work out your grocery spend etc for the year too.

I should have mentioned we are a single income family with a similar income to yours. I am a stay at home mum with two school children.

Our budgeting is well under control, so we can also 'pay ourselves' each fortnight by putting a set amount into a savings account by AP each pay day (as with the bills account). You could do this to build up your emergency fund again once you've reduced your expenditure.

The most immediate thing you can do, right this instant, is tighten up your spending. Buy only essentials, always asking yourself "is this a want or a need?" Then see a mortgage broker to see if you have the best mortgage deal you can get.

 
At Saturday, April 15, 2006 12:05:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does that laptop of yours have Microsoft Money on it, my computer came with it. Every transaction I do is electronic even for small things like buying a pie at a service station. The transaction cost me nothing because it is done through my credit card that has a low limit so I can't overspend on it. I use my credit card for every purchase except in places where stores won't excpet it and then I use eftpos. At the end of the month every transaction is downloaded from internet banking to Microsoft Money and then marked into a category. I then know exactly what I am spending my money on and where I can make improvements.

 
At Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:53:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go and speak to a mortgage broker
Their advice and help is free (in most instances).
MOST brokers have relationships with most of the mortgage providers - they *should* know who offers what, and who has the best product for you. YOU HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW THROUGH IF YOU ARE NOT 100% CERTAIN YOU ARE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING.

However...

Speak to your bank
Most financial institutions/banks don't like to lose their business, see if you can wrangle a better rate from your bank, or see if they can match or beat the competitor/s.

(the mortgage broker may have a relationship with that bank and may be able to help there also).

Consider the cost of moving your mortgage
Quite often it does cost a bit of money to move your mortgage: break fees, discharge fees, as well as legal/conveyancing fees. This could be anywhere from a few hundred dollars, to a few thousand...
You have to consider the long term benefit and savings if you do switch financial institutions - but you could probably put these fees back onto your *new* mortgage.

So my suggestion to you, is to speak to a mortgage broker and your bank.

 
At Sunday, April 16, 2006 7:33:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honestly- you live beyond your means- get hold of everything that you dont use and dont need and sell the darn stuff on Trade Me like all the rest of us do. Great fun and great way to clear those pesky bills.

 
At Monday, April 17, 2006 11:23:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the Mortgage Broker is FREE to speak to, (ask first when you ring up if they offer free advise) then speak to one to get the advise that is needed.

If they are going to cost you then don't spend any more money finding out...

Then option 2 is where I would vote for but only if the Mortgage Broker costs money.

BTW hasn't it cost you heaps of money to go away this weekend.. you know the cost of petrol ($1.61 per litre)... surely you could have spent a nice quiet family weekend at home... you know quality time with your child and husband... going to walk around Western Springs and having a picnic together... or go to the beach... which costs you not a lot at all.

 
At Monday, April 17, 2006 8:18:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Firstly, I think you would benefit from preparing a detailed monthly budget.

An advanced template can be found here:
http://www.macro-x.co.nz/free_downloads.htm

Or a basic one:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templates/default.aspx

This will help you to track your expenses and also identify which items you are really struggling with.

At the moment, from your annual budget, you are spending more than you earn so...

Income
--------
Are you able to increase your earnings?

Options:
1. Get a part-time job (working from home?)
2. Your husband does overtime regularly
3. Your husband gets a second job
4. You sell some possessions
5. Get a boarder

Expenses
-----------
How can you decrease your spending?
I would look at what your major expenses are - mortgage and food. Usually the bigger expenses are easiest to reduce.

Mortgage: IIRC someone mentioned earlier that refinancing your mortgage would save you heaps. Talk to your loan provider and / or a mortgage broker about your options.

Food: Also mentioned earlier, shop once a week, buy in bulk, choose the no-frills options, shop online, reduce extras (fancy cheese, expensive cuts of meat, alcohol etc), use coupons / discounts / loyalty cards or shop at Pak n Save..

Other options:
1. Reduce extras (SKY TV, entertainment expenses - watch a DVD instead of going to the movies)
2. Make sure bill money is deducted or set aside soon after your husband is paid. This way you will not spend money you don't have (it may mean setting up a separate bank account)
3. Choose cheaper options - rent a DVD vs movies, walk to the shops vs petrol, no frills food vs fancy etc
4. Insurance - is it all with the same provider (for a discount?)
5. Cheaper forms of heating - blankets and sleeping bags in the lounge

Some of these are relatively drastic but usually can be modified depending on circumstances.

At this stage I really think it would be beneficial to produce a more detailed monthly budget to help identify specific areas for improvement.

 

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Tuesday, April 11, 2006

Save or put it on the house?

Hi everyone

Well, Martin Hawes isn’t too impressed about our plans to buy a bigger car. Here’s what he had to say:

Steph

The first thing that you and Matt need to do is think about whether you really (and I mean REALLY!) need that new car.

Cars are the bane of every financial adviser’s life - they destroy budgets. The thing that most people forget with cars is depreciation – the moment you drive it away from the seller, it is worth less (I wonder what you paid for that car that is now worth $4,000). And it keeps on getting worth less as the weeks and kilometres turnover. Petrol, insurance, repairs and registration costs pale to insignificance compared to the loss of value over time and kilometres. Nevertheless, that depreciation is real money which has to be found when you are up for replacement.

If you add up all the costs for the car (repairs, petrol depreciation, interest if you borrow etc) you might be shocked at the total.

If you and Matt really do have to buy a car but can wait a bit, you should save for it. You should save either by use of a deposit account or by reducing the mortgage by $5,000 - having got the bank to agree that you can draw it back down when you are ready (the revolving credit facility would have been ideal for that).

If you have to have the car now, put it on the house – i.e. increase the mortgage. Home finance is the cheapest available and that will be your best form of borrowing.

But, of course this will mean that you mortgage will go to $216,000 and along with your car decreasing in value you are going backwards. That will be exacerbated by the extra interest that you will have to pay.

I had thought that you were worried about your finances and were determined to get them straight…

Martin

Mmmm, we are worried about our finances but I’m also concerned about my back! Anyway, we’ll see how the voting goes over the next day or so. Oh, and keep those comments coming (Isn’t Carla a star?).

Thanks!
Steph

13 Comments:

At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:37:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are in debt, when you get $68,000 a year... then you are a tosser and a losser.

So many have to budget on $8,000 to $12,000 a year (on a benefit). Thats paying rent/mortgage, food, clothing, dr's and run a car and they manage to do it really well.

You cant even do that.

Sorry but you and your husband are the biggest lossers in life.

Throw your credit card debt onto your home mortgage.

Keep the same car... you dont need to be up with the Jones's or Smith's or what ever your neighbour's name is. Better still walk to the local shop with your child in the pram and get your groceries done like the rest of us do it.

Sell your home and downsize.
Stop buying stuff that you don't really need. Baby can wear cloth nappies... learn to stay at home and make your own coffee and wash nappies.

Cheers and see you next week...

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:16:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So how long does it take to get one's comments put up on the board for everyone to read?

How long is the delay factor???

If someone at "www.sorted.org.nz" or even 'Steph' could answer this.. it would be much appreciated.

Cheers.
(4.17pm on 11/4/06) - I posted a message about 20 minutes ago before typing up this post.

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:47:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe this...

Your budget shows that at the moment you can't afford you're existing expenditure and you want to spend another $5000? Thats FUBAR even if you are fictitious.

What's next week's question?

"Well we got the car but now we have to get a double garage to keep it dry during winter - where can we get $12,000?"

sheesh

This is a WANT, not a NEED - get your virtual priorities right!

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:12:00 PM, Blogger sortme said...

Hi and thanks for your comments.

I do read everything that goes up, and I try and post them through as soon as possible. Bit more time for replies now - so thanks to everyone who leaves a name I can reply to directly!

I don't want to buy a *new* car, I just want a different car! The 2 door thing is more than a hassle, its really tricky getting Caleb in and out safely and is a nightmare at the supermarket carpark when I can't get the door open all the way and have to lean in.

We looked at what's out there and think that if we just "do it now" it'll be off the list of things to sort out forever. So we want a car that'll last ages - not another problem for 2 years down the track. We don't have the revolving credit thing so there is this chance to put it on the mortgage now.

Thx, Steph

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:48:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get the car, i fact since you own a house, you can just put one on HP, probably no deposit too. Get a 30,000 Lexis or maybe a 45,000 Pajero, safer for the kids going to school. If you can go to a place that gives you 5 grand cash back, so you can go for a nice holiday around the north island in your new wagon.

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:00:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah well hey look Steph, I know when you know how things COULD be, it's hard to settle for awkward doors and things, but if you are struggling with your mortgage now, then struggle on with doors and things you'll have to. I think the difficulty is when you've lived and worked in an environment where you have the money or resources to make things comfortable and hassle-free, and suddenly you have to put up with things, it's a bit of a shock. But there you go. Could be worse eh.

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:07:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steph

The budget you prepared says you can't afford what you're spending now let alone something new.

What makes you think you can afford to get a new car when you can't even manage now?

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:37:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

But why do you need an expensive car? If you want a four-door, sell your car and buy something with the money you get from the sale. There's no need to spend anything extra, and just because a car isn't a '98 doesn't mean it's going to fall apart any second.

Buying an expensive car when you're trying to get out of debt is just ridiculous.

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:05:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

[QUOTE=steph]I don't want to buy a *new* car, I just want a different car! The 2 door thing is more than a hassle, its really tricky getting Caleb in and out safely and is a nightmare at the supermarket carpark when I can't get the door open all the way and have to lean in.
So we want a car that'll last ages - not another problem for 2 years down the track[/QUOTE]

you want want want...!!!

Life is not about wanting everything given to them on a plate... You have to earn things..
So what you have to lean into a car to put things in it..
Gee we all have had to do it, sure it is a pain in the butt. but get over it. Put the groceries and other shopping in the boot of the car. Park the car away from all other cars so that you can open up the door more... use your brain and think about it.

No one can guarantee a car will last 2 years or 5 years... you could have a prang tomorrow or 3 years down the track...

You dont NEED a another car, stick with what you have.

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:42:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wil give you some advice my Gran gave me: NEVER BUY ANYTHING UNLESS YOU HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT!!!

Learn to save money and make do... as per other comments you salary is $68.000- you have poor money handling skills and are materialistic.

Learn to be thrifty.. my car is about to die so what do I do? I use a bus (yes with a baby while studying fulltime at university and lugging around 20 tonne accounting textbooks)

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

steph
i have been reading this from time to time. i was under the impression that you have 2 cars & live in the central city area. if you do have 2 cars, sell one, and keep the one that is most suitable for your family. in the central city, there is an excellent bus service. nothing to stop hubby busing to work, and saves petrol money. if you really want another car, and this is a WANT not a NEED, bank the money from the sale of the other car & save for the rest of the purchase price. believe it or not, people DO cope with babies & 2 door cars. been there, done that, with a baby & a toddler.

 
At Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it was an ABSOLUTE NECESSITY, I would say put it on your mortgage - but as a new loan over 3-4 years (even less if you can manage it). Do not comtemplate taking it over the life of your mortgage (25-30 years!) - this will turn your $5000 loan into something MUCH BIGGER!! Putting it over a shorter term will allow you to repay the car back in a similar time, as you would a personal loan or hire purchase, but at mortgage rates.

But I see this as a WANT, and therefore suggest you get your current financial position sorted first, and save for an upgrade.
Sorry

Anyhow, just my thoughts... (sorry couldn't frighten you with any figures today, am away for the next three weeks without my mortgage calculators!).

JB

 
At Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:20:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh my gosh! What are you thinking??
SAVE for that car! If you put it on your mortgage it will up your repayments & over the course of your mortgage you will be paying an awful lot of interest on the car.
As for it being inconvenient to get your son in and out of the car because of not being able to open the door, well park further away! I managed to do perfectly fine with a 2 door car until we had saved up for a new car.
To help you savings start using your buggy & walking to where you need to go. The beauty of Auckland is that most places that you NEED o go are in walking distance & its a great way to get fit.
The really silly thing is that you should have made plans & put into action savings for a car when you first got pregnant and had a very good income.

I sometimes think that day to day money management should be a compulsory subject at school so the good habits are there before "real life" hits!

 

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Monday, April 10, 2006

Week 2, Question 1

Thanks guys for helping us sort out Matt’s credit card. It's great to get rid of a chunk of debt, although a bit scary to have our emergency fund down to just $700.

Now I know we shouldn't be thinking about spending any more money right now, but we really need to do something about our car.

It's not flash (most of the car costs in our budget are for petrol) just a hatchback, but it’s getting too small for us now. With just two doors it's a real pain (in my back!) to get Caleb and his car seat in and out. And once the buggy and change bag etc. are in the hatch there's not much room for anything else.

Matt reckons we could get about 4 grand for our car (maybe more thru TM Motors!), so that would leave us needing around $5,000 to trade up to something bigger but not over the top - like a 1998 station wagon.

We could find a way to save up the extra money we need, but seeing as we're going to review our mortgage soon anyway, why not just put it on the house? We've got plenty of equity, so another five grand wouldn't hurt, surely?

Your thoughts?

3 Comments:

At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:34:00 AM, Blogger Carla said...

Steph, remember you are trying to get out of debt, not add more to it, i would either put up with what you have for now, and save up enough cash to buy a car outright, or sell what you have and use that money and that money only to get something bigger, for $4000-$5000 you can get something decent, you just have to do a lot of looking around. bargains are out there.

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:17:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you think you will get $4K for the old hatchback you are a bit misguided. Did you know that car yards that advertise minimun $4K trade-in only add that $4K to the cost of the car you are buying? Instead of putting yourself in more debt, just keep the car & handle the inconvenience. I still have a 2 door hatch with a kid & it's not that bad. Buy yourself a $20 Stroller from the Warehouse & don't take so much stuff with you. No point getting yourself further in the debt over a little bother like that. If the car was dead I could understand it but it isn't so why spend more money?

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:17:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can buy a 1994 subaru station wagon for under $5000. You should have no need for anything for more expensive. Ever. You do not need to spend more than $5k on a vehicle in NZ. Anything more is just for prestige.

 

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