Friday, April 28, 2006

Too close to call?

Hi all

Good to see the student loan question has got you thinking. And judging by the votes so far this one could go either way…

Pay it or forget it? Here’s what our friend Martin Hawes has to say:

Steph,

My advice on this is simple: forget the student loan at the moment. The recent Government changes that mean there is no interest payable allow you to sit on it at no cost. One day you will have to pay it off – when your income rises. But in the meantime, I suggest that you do not need to worry about it.

Martin

Keep those votes and comments coming, everyone, we’ll see how things turn out next week.

Steph

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Week 4, Question 2

Well, thanks to your votes we’re asking the bank to change our mortgage payments to fortnightly. That’s also what my new pay frequency will be, so makes sense.

Following your feedback, we’ll be paying half our current monthly amount each fortnight. It’s going to cost us more over the year, but we’ll have to find a way to make it work. More on that later.

And on the subject of debt, have I mentioned my $13,000 student loan? Probably not, as I haven’t had to make any repayments since I stopped work.

But now I’m earning again I wonder if I should start paying it off – even though I will be under the repayment threshold ($17,160).

Getting rid of debt is our number one goal, and now there’s no interest adding up, the student loan should be easy to knock on the head – well, easier than our mortgage anyway.

Just a bit each month wouldn’t hurt? Worth it?

Steph

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At Friday, April 28, 2006 11:08:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

student loans are now interest free, so I would recommend paying it off only when required to. Use your money to pay off interest-bearing debts instead!

 
At Friday, April 28, 2006 12:08:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If your student loan has no interest charge at the moment then I would put my money on other debt. So pay off high interest debt first (credit cards, car loans, mortgage etc).

In the long run, you will be better off doing it this way.

 
At Friday, April 28, 2006 1:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmm this is a tricky one. Part of me says this is only a temporary thing. A snap election could happen and guess what, all that interest will go back on. I also feel that it is your responsibility to pay it back as quickly as possible if you can. It is a loan that was designed to help you. I think too many NZers have the attitude of bite the hand that feeds. The best debt is no debt. Doesn't it weigh you down each and every day knowing you have that loan attached to you like a dead weight? Personally I would be paying that debt off asap, although financially it makes sense for you not to. I guess its your call really.

 
At Friday, April 28, 2006 1:53:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You'd be crazy to pay off your student loan now it is interest free...if you really want to do something about it, put some money aside to pay it off if/when the government changes and interest goes back on it. Until then, you can earn interest on that money.

 
At Friday, April 28, 2006 3:45:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

haha! looks like 50% of us are crazy then! 50% of us would start paying it back now.

 
At Friday, April 28, 2006 3:46:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you die, who has to pay your student loan? Your next of kin? what a wonderful legacy to leave your family. NOT!

 
At Friday, April 28, 2006 4:03:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI If you do die with a student loan the loan is completely written off, so you have nothing to worry about on that front

 
At Friday, April 28, 2006 4:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually Student loan debt is written off if the borrower dies, it never gets transfered to anyone else

 
At Friday, April 28, 2006 4:16:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Given the tight financial situation you are in, I'd be inclined to leave it for now, seeing student loans are now interest free. Once you resume full time employment, I am sure you will be in a much better postion to repay much larger chunks comfortably.

However, if you feel you can - do it. (or put that money onto your mortgage!)

 
At Friday, April 28, 2006 4:38:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi there, I would say to pay off the interest bearing debt first and then tackle that student loan. Maybe you could put the amount that you WOULD pay on your student loan - onto the interest bearing debt. That way - once you have paid off that debt - you could transfer the payment straight to your student loan and you won't miss it! :)

 

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Tuesday, April 25, 2006

Fortnightly vs monthly

The voting so far would suggest this issue is very clear cut, but maybe not...

Here's the Martin Hawes angle on fortnightly vs monthly mortgage repayments:

Steph

This question is not as straight forward as it sounds - there is a lot of
misunderstanding about it.

Fortnightly payments are good for many people because they end up paying a lot more on their mortgage than they were paying before. There is a great saving, but only because they are putting more money against the mortgage. If they pay the same amount of money as they had been, but pay fortnightly, there is only a very minor saving.

Here's what I mean: You're currently paying around $2050 per month. If you decided to pay fortnightly, you might choose to pay $1025 per fortnight. You would in this case make a great saving because you are paying a lot more on the mortgage – as there are more than 24 fortnights each year. When you pay $2050 per month, you are paying $24,600 per annum. But if you pay $1025 per fortnight you are paying $26,650 per annum. That extra $2,050 per annum that you are paying does indeed lead to greater savings, but only because you are paying more.

If you changed to fortnightly payments but still paid the same amount (i.e. your $2050 per month went to $946 per fortnight) you would only have a very small saving over the life of the mortgage - around $225.

So, start to pay fortnightly by all means, and if you pay half of the previous monthly payment, you will make a great saving. However, it could blow the budget - and your budget is already fairly tight.

Martin

Mmmm, not so black and white after all! How has it worked for others out there?

Steph

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At Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:35:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think fornightly payments are better if you keep the payments at half.

Yes your budget is tight but in the long run you will be better off especially with the (lunch) savings made recently.

I'm not sure how frequently Matt is being paid (monthly or fortnightly?) but this may have a bearing on whether it's easier for you to pay fortnightly - there is no temptation to spend money you don't have.

You can find another mortgage calculator here to see how differing repayment amounts and periods affect your mortgage:
http://www.macro-x.co.nz/example_5.htm
or
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templates/CT011815531033.aspx

 

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Monday, April 24, 2006

Week 4, Question 1

Hi ho, hi ho, it’s off to work I go...

Well, not just yet but that’s what your votes have told us should happen.

Matt’s pleased he can keep his weekends off and to be honest I am looking forward to keeping my hand in at work. We’re both a bit apprehensive about putting Caleb into child care. But it’s only for one day a week, and the money will make a big difference.

In fact, with the savings we’ve made over the last few weeks through getting rid of Matt’s credit card debt, his bought lunches, my gym membership, and now the prospect of extra, regular income, things are definitely looking up.

Still a way to go, but we’re now well on our way to getting things sorted.

So next on the agenda (has it ever been off it?) is the mortgage. We’re still mulling over whether to go to a broker or just talk to our bank, but whichever way we go, one thing we’re going to have to decide is whether to change the frequency of our payments.

Matt gets paid monthly, so we thought it made sense to have monthly payments. But it seems everyone these days pays their mortgage fortnightly, so maybe that’s the way we should go? And if we do pay fortnightly, should it just be half of what we pay each month? Or less? Or more?

Steph

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At Monday, April 24, 2006 3:01:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pay your mortgage fortnightly

I have said it in a previous post, by repaying your mortgage fortnightly you will save heaps of money in the long run, and wipe years off your mortgage!

You should aim to pay 50% of your monthly repayment (if you can manage a bit more - go 4 it).

An mathematical example
…of how much more you will repay a year paying fortnightly, over paying monthly, using 8%pa, 30 year term, $211K mortgage:

Monthly repayment of $1,548.24 (approx) x 12 repayments = $18,578.88

Fortnightly repayment of $774.12 (approx) x 26 repayments = $20,127.12


The difference being one mortgage repayment! (without any effort at all really!).

Your minimum fortnightly repayment should be the monthly repayment divided by 26, making it $714.27, so by paying 50% your monthly repayment, you are effectively paying an extra $59.85 each fortnight, which, at the end of the day will wipe approximately 7 years off your mortgage (& save you approximately $97,600 in interest!!).

However, in saying that, most people refinance their mortgages every 5 years or so, and top up, withdraw their redraw (funds that have been overpaid), extend their mortgages and not to mention the fluctuating interest rates– so although the figures look really good when you look at how much you save in interest costs, in this mock example, most people don’t really save that much in the long run by paying fortnightly.

Up to you, I say change to fortnightly repayments if you can handle it!

Again, speak to your bank (or broker), who could explain this further.

 
At Monday, April 24, 2006 3:30:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If he gets paid monthly then the "easiest" option is to have your mortgage paid monthly straight out of his wages so you don't have to worry about overspending & not having the mortgage money. Why make life hard for yourself??
And see a broker about your mortgage. It is their profession to get the very best deal and they can look at all the different bank options to suit your needs.

 
At Monday, April 24, 2006 6:36:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paying fortnightly helps reduce your mortgage but only if you divide the monthly payment in half and then pay this fortnightly. This way you are paying the same as 13 monthly payments a year instead of 12 as there are 26 fortnights in a year not 24. You hardly notice the difference in your budget but it reduces the interest you pay, especially on a large mortgage. Good luck.

 
At Monday, April 24, 2006 6:38:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paying fortnightly helps reduce your mortgage but only if you divide the monthly payment in half and then pay this fortnightly. This way you are paying the same as 13 monthly payments a year instead of 12 as there are 26 fortnights in a year not 24. You hardly notice the difference in your budget but it reduces the interest you pay, especially on a large mortgage. Good luck.

 
At Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:17:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not sure where martin hawes gets his figures, from, but i wouldn't trust his advice as far as i could spit anyway, but making more regular payments on your mortgage, your going to save more than $255, ideally you want to talk to your bank about paying weekly, the faster you pay those interest bits the quicker it will drop. did you know you pay mainly interest on your loan for the first 8 years, and a std 100k mortgage will atrract nearly 3 time the interest, over a 25 year span.

 

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